Getting Lost - Episode 2.18 “Dave”
Posted April 5, 2006 at 11:45 pm by Spamalot
OK, in this week’s episode we find out the darker side of Hurley’s past. In flashbacks, Hurley’s doc in the mental ward convinces him with a polaroid that his friend “Dave”, who’s been influencing him to binge and not take his meds, has something in common with the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. In other words, he doesn’t exist. (or so we’re lead to believe, back to that in a minute) Hurley denies Dave’s existence, gets better, leaves the mental hospital, yadda yadda yadda… island.
Things take a turn for the worst when Hurley sees Dave, in full “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” garb, in amongst the losties.
Since he’s a n00b, he runs off after him into the wilderness, much the way Jack chased after his daddy and almost fell off a cliff.
Blah blah blah, this episode wasn’t very good… figured that Libby was a mental patient so no big surprise there. (Sqlid called that one in a post 2 or 3 months ago.)
Anyway, if we buy into the whole Dharma grand experiment conspiracy theory, one could argue that the whole mental ward (Semi-conscience Libby included or not) was in on it and that Hurley’s imaginary friend Dave is in fact real and the whole thing was an experiment to blur the line between imagination and reality.
OR
Dave is not real, that ranch Hurley’s been eating is rancid and the botulism is going to his brain.
I didn’t really like this episode so frankly, I don’t care which is true.
Oooooh, almost forgot; Sayid almost domed the prisoner.
Did I miss anything?
P.S. Hurley officially gets just as much action on the island as Jack, but both of their girls are nutsoid.
April 6th, 2006 at 9:04 am
Let me say first off, that last night’s espisode brought the show to the level that I was afraid off…opening mad doors and closing NONE of them. If you really look at it, all the “answers” we’ve gotten so far are not answers really, but just new doors opening into more mystery. I hate that. For real. When you watch a show, especially one like this, you have to reward the viewers with some answers. If you keep them in the dark too long, they’ll lose interest. Both my parents are pretty much bored with the show and fell asleep watching last night.
I’m not done with it yet, but it’s getting there. Here’s my problems with last night’s episode:
1) The actor that plays Hurley is such a fat flippin slob, they have to WRITE whole episodes to make up why Hurley in the show isn’t losing weight. C’mon.
2) So back in show terms, Hurley has all that food to himself, stealing it so others couldn’t have it. Then what does he do? He destroys all of it! Hey, tubby, how about GIVING that food to the other STARVING people on the island!
3) Um, torture dat? Sayid beat the crap out of Henry Gale when it was still suspected he MIGHT have been innocent. Not that he knows he lied and is one of the Others, WHY ISN’T HE TORTURING HIM NOW!?!?
Ok ok, enough negativity. Here’s the good stuff…
1) …um…
2) Hmm….
3) Uh…um…
4) Erm…
Yeah, totally can’t think of anything I liked about the show. While I was watching it I was like “ok this might be good” but c’mon, how could Libby have been in the same mental facility??
So the theory is being brought to light that Dharma possibly has been monitoring everyone from the Oceanic flight and used the island to further test their behavior. If that’s NOT try, then either something deemo is going on, or something majorly WHACK is going on.
But let’s just say that it IS going on like that. How did they get EVERYONE to be on the same flight??
Blah. Tronsta angry! *stomps away*
April 6th, 2006 at 9:29 am
Very easy for an organization like Dharma to get them all on the flight. I’d say that they’d been screwing with the lives of enough people to make 4 or 5 Oceanic flight 815s. This group just happened to work out and get on the flight.
I actually like the fact that Hurley is a fat flippin slob. Im tired of tabloids talking about whatever olsen twin is puking her guts up this week. Why not talk about the other side of eating disorders. Besides, Most people look more like Hurley than they look like the rest of the perfectly beautiful cast. Jeez, even the old guy is perfect looking. (Locke)
Exchange the food for heroin and you have charlie. It’s the same addiction with a different drug. Interesting.
I agree with Tronsta about Hurley and the food. Spread the wealth!
The prisoner makes me think of Kevin Spacey in the usual suspects. He plays like he’s helpless when he’s really the evil ringleader. I think it would be hot if “Henry Gale” was really at the helm of Dharma. That would be teh 0wnich
Oh, BTW, I think Dharma is government funded and the smoke monster is the future of techno-warfare. A non-physical thing that can inflict physical damage and read minds. The perfect weapon.
April 6th, 2006 at 3:21 pm
I don’t even know about the mythos anymore. Way too many curveballs. We’re not gonna figure it out by seeing little clues here and there, especially this early in the series. Trust that. So, resign yourself to a wild ride. Enjoy the characters, because they are ALL very enjoyable. Suck in the well-placed clues, there are subtle ones and not so subtle ones. Let yourself enjoy the pacing, because it’s really not so bad. Lots of really interesting stories and ideas are being set up. Everyone is so ready for the pay-off, and they didn’t even get their pants off yet. That’s America.
I feel bad for the people behind this show. It’s a pretty innovative and complicated venture. They’re doing a show with a lot of subtext and a lot of people don’t get it or don’t care. So, they bait you with pretty faces, Hawaii, amazing stories. What keeps you coming back are the characters. Their stories, their struggles, their pasts. The island is a net. These people are struggling. We’e watching the fur fly. What the impatient folks want is the story on WHY. But, the conspiracy isn’t done cooking. Theres a lot, a lot, a lot of ground to be covered still. Lots of important people that have to be introduced before we’re going to BEGIN understanding the true WHY’S of this whole thing.
The people who produce this show are making it more for the patient people. The people who like a slow burn and appreciate a good build. People who are sick of mindless entertainment and instant gratification. People who know the devil is in the details. It’s super tough for the producers to keep such a wide fan base entertained. They’re doing ok though. Lots of people are still into this series. A sad inevitability is the disappointment a lot of people will feel when the series finally closes. Theres no way this amazing build will work out to be as big as everyone expects it to be. We’re Americans! We whine, we piss, we moan, we get disappointed easily, we send back cheeseburgers, we want $@^& done OUR way! We want our favorite show to be our everything. S’just not that way.
Oh, by the way. This shows OWNS every other show you’ve ever watched, so shut your mouths. *WAAAAHHHHHHH WAHHH*
April 6th, 2006 at 3:50 pm
By saying I didn’t like this episode, I wasn’t complaining about the show, 5qlid. I understand that a story this complicated requires the occasional snoozer to flesh out the details. Just the whole people appearing who aren’t really there, it’s all in his head thing is really played out. (Matrix, Fight Club, etc.)
I was like WHO CARES!
I would’ve killed to see an hour of the Losties playing poker for mangos again. It would’ve been more entertaining.
April 7th, 2006 at 11:40 am
I like how Sqlid makes this huge sweeping opinion about us and the country we live in because of the critiques of a single episode of Lost. lol
I bet you he has LOST tattooed on his right butt cheek.
Anywho, enough with the nonsense. So far, there’s been tons of “curve balls” and nothing straight enough to go on. It’s nearing the end of Season two and we’re all still just as confused now as we were from Day 1. That tells you something. It tells you the writers are coming up with all this stuff on the fly, which is whack.
Know what other show did the same thing? X-files. And aside from the nerdy cult following, viewers in general got sick of the series, and the movie, because it gave nothing back to the viewers. Why am I watching Lost? Because I care about Hurley and his face frenzy? Or because Sawyer’s father’s uncle’s sister’s boyfriend is the guy that kill Kate’s lover’s mother’s brother’s half-cousin? These are all nice character developements, but if I want drama, I’ll watch the OC.
I’m not watching Lost for drama. I’m watching it for sci-fi thrills. So far, those have been shallow. It’s easy to shock the viewer with a polar bear or a hatch or crazy numbers or the Others, but the challenge is fitting it all in to something that half-way makes sense. So far, NONE of it makes sense, and they’ve made no attempts at giving us just a tad of logical developement.
I’m not going to stop watching it anytime soon, but the writing is on the wall. Hope the writers get their stuff together.
April 7th, 2006 at 12:37 pm
keep in mind i post the stuff i post on a couple forums where i discuss lost. those were ideas i’ve been kicking around for a while and they weren’t ONLY in response to folks on THIS forum. anyway, what i said is 100% true. any way you slice it. even the America crap. i DON’T think the show is made up on the fly. it’s all just WAY too complicated. the map, the hatches, the others, dharma, hanso, the religion, the science, the character subtext. no way this is being slapped together haphazardly. I DO think things change during production and not everything goes as planned and accomadations need to made from time to time. these things dictate what plot tid-bits are brought to light, when they’re brought to light, and also what things have to be put off or accelarated in order to preserve a good pay-off. the details on that scrawled map will CERTAINLY be a guide to the trajectory of the WHOLE next season, if not the whole series. like finding the hatch was to the second season. i have faith in the deliberate pacing. theres an ARC at work. 5+ seasons long or so they say. do you think they will make the same mistake the producers of the X-files and Alias made when everyone is throwing that in their face every single day? unlike a lot of show producers these dudes take what the fans say and debunk it as the series progresses! hurley’s ‘time travel’ and ‘everyone is a part of his own personality’ gags. also the sun and walt ‘are we being punished’ thing. these dudes are dancing a pretty amazing jig, if you ask me.
NOW as for stuff that was introduced and never really devoloped: Jack will still build a little army and Jack will have a war — BEGINNING at the end of this season. Ecko is building a Church — watch. Desmond will be back — super soon. the sickness — i dunno. i still think the time frame Frenchy mentioned hasn’t arrived. theres more, but i forget them now.
ADDITIONALLY: there are a few things that i don’t know how to read and that’s Locke’s erratic behavior, Charlies dark side stuff, and Sawyers gun-hoarding thing. these seem like accomadations and/or devices that exist to make later occurances more believable. can’t really vouch for those things. again, there are more but i forget them now.
another thing i read from the producers: with all the people going on about the breaks in the season. they’re going to remedy that next season by doing three “mini-seasons.” 7 episodes, 7 episodes, 8 episodes. with an undetirmined amount of time between the blocks. i like the sound of that a lot.
i love all of you
April 7th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
I think they know where it’s going. The writers have stated that they originally planned lost as 1 like 8 episode thing because it’s all they were guaranteed.
Im still pretty happy with knowing more about the Others. The Ethan thing really blew my mind and had a super cool payoff. Mind you, it ran from the MIDDLE of season 1 to the MIDDLE of season2.
This is probably due to the fact that the show has sort of been taking place in real-time. So in the LOST world, it isn’t as big a break and the pacing makes sense.
The breaks is what kills you, but I’d rather have a few month long breaks than a HUGE off season while I’m waiting for the resolution to the next “Whats in the hatch” cliffhanger.
You know what’s in the “hatch”… enough questions to last until ABC pulls the plug. I soooo hope that LOST doesn’t go out too fast and they have to rush to fill in the ending. I would fall on something sharp.
Anyway, what I would like to see is a little more “evening” out of the crap and the good. The way it’s been lately has been that every other or every other two episodes has been less than stellar. The other episodes are amazingly awesome. Even it out. No?
So, what’s the cliffhanger gonna be, who’s gonna get pwned???
Speculate!!!!
Why don’t they kill someone major, shake it up, not like they did boone and shannon, who were the weakest links. Even though I liked boone, he was a normal, mall going, cellphone yapping kind off guy who was trying to adapt. Too bad he got owned by Locke’s fanaticism.
“Teresa falls up the stairs. Teresa falls down the stairs. Locke, you got a napkin for all this fake blood on my face…”
Kill Someone and have them had a MAJOR secret, like they were in on it or something.
Interesting enough. Jack was supposed to originally get killed early in the first season but polls told them don’t do it. So they listen!
April 7th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
Jack was supposed to die in the FIRST episode. Kate was supposed to be the centerpiece. Thank goodness that didn’t pan out.
As for the evening out. That’s kind of impossible. I think. They want all the episodes to rock, but when you’re building a big house all the pieces aren’t going to be identical. Like legos. Different imperative storie pieces get different reactions from viewers. They can’t all rock the socks evenly. If that’s what you mean.
As for deaths? Charlie will be redeemed and KILLED, both at once. I have the same feeling about Ana Lucia. Something tells me Locke is gonna bite it too, but probably not. Theres still lots of Locke story to fill in. I DO think there will be at least TWO deaths before the season is out. Scary, eh?
As for the the cliffhanger? I think it’s something to do with a clock. Or a huge fight where you don’t know who’s dead or who’s alive. Or maybe the discovery of an installation. Ala Grazni Grad from Snake Eater. A high tech underground fortress with Dharma humvees and airplanes.
Something tickled me recently. Noah’s ark. The island might be like Noahs ark–GONE WRONG! Y’know, with Hanso in the God role. I have to let this idea simmer some more.
April 7th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Dude, Kate running around like Babs bunny as the centerpiece? Trick please… ur right. Although Jack annoys me, I understand him.
Maybe we’ll find out something horrible about jack, like he’s a kevorkian or suntin?
They should off Charlie, have him sacrifice himself, good call.
Noah’s Ark? Umm, my head hurtz. Im gonna go watch pure pwnage…
April 10th, 2006 at 9:32 am
(yawns deeply)
April 11th, 2006 at 11:06 am
chiming in late with about 2 cents in my pocket.
first off, i could’ve sworn they showed a clip in the preview of Hurley stumbling and about to fall off the cliff. anyway, i watched all of the season 1 in like a week (thank you bittorrent) and i could barely sit still. i’ve been watching this season and it does have it’s ups and downs. personally i can’t stand the “breaks” of no new episodes. there should be a new ep every week. that bugs me more than anything.
as far as this ep. it was aight. i knew Dave was fake immediately. i’ve seen too many movies to get fooled by that (you got me Beautiful Mind) again. interesting that Libby was a patient (i’m going to stop guessing at this show and see where it takes me). beyond the Hurley story 2 things caught my interest. when the food drop shows up, everyone just tears into boxes of food with the same symbol all over it. NO ONE questions where this food just came from? i mean i know you’re hungry, but c’mon. pre-packaged food … in boxes … on a palate … and a parachute … just dropped from the sky. that would bother me if i was on that island. seems like the people on that island are getting way too comfortable in their new home. oh and “Henry Gale” telling Locke that nothing happened when he didn’t push the numbers. dude is lying obviously, but he’s definitely playing on Locke’s emotions. i agree that Sayid should be torturing him even more now.
last thing…. i said when i watched the first season that it would have been classic had they just made this a 1 season show (like anime series). i do believe it could have been wrapped up in 25 episodes and would have gone down in history as the greatest show ever. the more seasons they try to get out of this show, the less people will care. my opinion.
April 11th, 2006 at 11:51 am
Successful series are hard to create. They’re even harder to destroy. Theres too much money in them to have a finite story, an end, before they’ve made loads of cash off it. They’ll let it get crappy before they feel they’ve got enough milk from the teet. I just the hope the creators don’t let that happen. I’ve heard Matt Fox comment on that. He said something about ART over PRODUCT. The series running too long will become a joke. People will stop caring. And the pay off will inevitably be weak. Lets hope they tell their story and be done with it. HeatGuy just about nailed it. Though I do think 1 season is too little, maybe 4 or 5 deliberately paced seasons would be ideal. Before it jumps the Dharma stamped shark.